If we can talk then why not trees? If we are supercooperators then what could be the problem for trees or plants likely this? Trees can assist each other just we and other species mostly do. The physics of this planet is symbiotic by nature. We are living in a world where everything is connected and not separate from others. This connection once kindled us sewing stories that treated legendary now. The myths and fairy tales are not just nonsense as we think about them. They are not just prattle. Legendary stories are boon here so we can understand the ecosystem of this planet. Every nonsense story helps us to touch the origin from where we started our journey and yet moving forward. Fairy tales or mythical stories have might be the sign of archaeological culture where everybody talks to each other.
… I’m not sure what be the feeling of Plum Trees when we behead them like a maniacal killer. Maybe the day will come when Suzanne Simard’s Geiger counter helps us to listen and talk with them, and on that day, we might be shivered to see bloods in our palm, as Macbeth shivered with fear and repentance to see blood in his hands.
… … …
The tales of trees were quite different in far ancient times when we were tantamount literally to Mother Nature. This world where we and other creatures were capable of exchanging our identity through frequent transformation. Today it sounds weird because we believe we can interpret the planet or this infinite looking universe with accuracy! Anyway, people’s thinking was different in antique days. They asked them, — what “all this” could be? A difference between “is” and “could be” sounds negligible today but this little shift can change one’s thoughts and beliefs about the fractal of ‘things’. Everything in this apparent world now stands beside the reality where we stuck with “is” and disowned “could be”. Means our rational sense considers “is” a dependable projection of reality. Anyway, in those archaic days of human civilization a “could be” might lead one making such stories that logic cannot sense sensical.
Muting logic in this way might be the strength of legendary myth and stories. They just disdained our current beliefs about rational thinking and so on. Fairy tales or mythical nonsense negates the rational values that we own today. On the opposite, we often show our reluctance to judge legendary stories a rational reality for human life. We cannot considerate about this that a legendary world might have its rationality and logic ground. This interactive worldly realm is the master of reality that we think unusual and absurd for us which tried to fill the void through prattle stories. Logic doesn’t help much to defend it. We at best marked it absurd by using the trendy logic sense we have!
This inability draws a curtain between our recognition and perception of the mythical world. It told us to understand the primordial reality except using any apprehending logic and rational thinking. Everything seems possible in that legendary world because no logic (at least what we’ve meant by logic today) has worked in this state. The only logic might work there that is, everything here is legitimate when myth begins. This legitimacy soon appeared problematic when we think, — it might be the conscious distortion of reality where we are staying now! Therefore, the exclusion is better than inclusion if we want to save our rational sense before it attacked by the twaddle.
… We lost our language and as well as the transmitting capacity. Once it helped us to understand what a tree actually wants to say! Today, we do not surely know how to enter the deep feelings where divinity comes along like a spark and it said, —we and trees and all other creatures are the same members of the universal Genetic subset… It also tried to disseminate we are connected; everything is connected in the common chain where eternal bonding and necessity keeps us alive, despite our different trajectories.
… … …
This inability prevents our mind to think about the relation where trees in a healthy forest can talk to each other, not likewise human beings but must be in different ways that we are unaware of it. The nonsensical stories are the lighthouse to understand this remote antiquity when we were identical with trees and other living beings. It incites us to think, another reality may not an impossible fiction if we postponed our neoteric logic sense and stop justifying the nonsense by this. Physical agents then appeared with different corporeal arrangements.
Suchlike mythical symbiosis among physical agents helped us to recognize the antiquate morals of life. It told us, — nothing in this world is legitimate except for the limitless absurd transfiguration of agents from one state to another. It led us to the remote antiquity when humans, animals, and trees were staying entangled in the same space-time reality. This entanglement is the power of nonsense stories. The symbiosis between physical agents has grown in this state. Our neoteric logic sense cannot understand this and it always appears abstruse to it.
This planet was a deep forest in far ancient times. Everything was tangible in that forest, as Tarzan was tangible for Chimps, Elephants, Lions and tree trunks; as Reindeers are tangible for Chukchi people in Siberia’s frozen island; as David Livingstone was bewildered to see the tangibility in African forest during his colonial expedition. He was baffled to see the tallness of trees! They were so tall that sunrise cannot enter into the jungle by escaping them, but this dark world is tangible for all living creatures.
Yonder tangibility among all living and nonliving physical agents provoked humans to believe they are connected with trees, rivers, bees, birds, insects, and even the venomous Black Mambas and rodent animals. They can talk and fight each other like every species separately even habitual today. As Mowgli talks with panther Bagheera and the bear Baloo. They saved him to the naughty Shere Khan and helped searched his identity as a Man-cub so that he can return to his relative. This mutuality beckons a healthy civilization, though it sounds fable today! It provoked our ancestors to think they are tangled with all other creatures by going through a massive conversion and confrontation between them. The sublimity of this claptrap forced antique humans to think about them as a member of the symbiotic culture. None is separate in that culture despite their physical differences and duelist attitude to each other.
We were a member of this fairy-looking remote world where every impossible event had its possible truth. A fairy-dramatist knew how talks with a plant. He knew the conversion technique, from where the impossible transfiguration become possible for him. This storytelling was not just a matter of fantasy or mind-puzzling rubric of modern poetry or storytelling. Today’s poet symbolized him by comparing his physic with trees, and his desire inspired him to think about the replacement where a transfigured human can eradicate all evils through his treeness. Fairy tales or nonsense storytelling doesn’t symbolize anything. They just reflect what they see and believe. The world where fairy and myths were kings, transfiguration depends on neither poetic rubric nor does it incite the storyteller marked him a supernatural being in suchlike realms.
… This planet was a deep forest in far ancient times. Everything was tangible in that forest, as Tarzan was tangible for Chimps, Elephants, Lions and tree trunks; as Reindeers are tangible for Chukchi people in Siberia’s frozen island; as David Livingstone was bewildered to see the tangibility in African forest during his colonial expedition. He was baffled to see the tallness of trees; they were so tall that sunrise cannot enter into the jungle by escaping them, but this dark world is tangible for all living creatures.
… … …
Today’s storyteller knows he is not a supernatural being and never could be. Transfiguration might not possible until science invented something that helps him to make the conversion. However, his desire lets him imagine a transfigured agent. He then ornamented him by taking it a way of removal from the reality where he exists. Modern storyteller represents the fixity where rational thinking affixed every impossible state as nonsense or fables for him. However, this fixity cannot kill his desire to be absurd or fantastical. This desire incites his mind to think of him as a victim of contradicted position. The storyteller then symbolizes his desire through poetics. He then imagines himself strolling in the battleground where absurd desire always quests the way so it can escape scientific rationale.
The primordial people were free from this erroneous contradiction because they had no necessity to know science or society. They were societal in Nature and that was enough for them. Maybe because of that Claude Lévi-Strauss once said, “Natural man did not precede society, nor is he outside it.” That’s why society, science, logic or so on was just absurd to them. We think those primordial men believe in supernatural transfiguration, but they were not. They just believed in the immense possibility of impossible. Yes, they owned this. People saw them talking with trees, bees or animals, and they think transfiguration of physic is inevitable because nothing exists to its settlement. This belief was a normal event for them. Not like as we think today, that is, they were superstitious beings with lacking wisdom and logic. Even it doesn’t sound rational when we think they had lacking to define the apparition of supernatural in their daily life so they can consider it superstitious.
Today it sounds prattle and false but it was the language of our predecessors on those primordial days of human civilization. Might be they were comfortable with this and understood it with such easiness that sounds weird in today’s techno qua language. I think, it not a surprise when ecologist Suzanne Simard explained her fascinating experience about how she comes to believe on this, — yes, in healthy forest trees can talk each other, they share their pain and joy each other and show their cooperative attitude when they transmit signals to each other. It now a scientific outcome through bit experimentation where she covered seedling plants in a forest with some carbonized plastic bags. The rest story is amazing since the vibration of trees she recorded in her Geiger Detector. The sound heard amazing when Suzanne shared it in her last TED Talk. All must be a cheerful event for the scientists who keep busy them to search the physics behind every creation.
However, myth or fantasy acts beyond the physics that Suzanne experienced in her long relationship with trees in the British Columbia forest. The world where plants are identical to humans despite their different physic. They make interaction with each other through a mysterious communication channel. The physics of suchlike mutual relation is perhaps overtaking the logic that we think essential for us. The actual relation between humans and plants in the legendary world depends on a different logic. It tried to stabilize the fact that all physical agents are coming from the mysterious void! When they commenced out they can take any shape and as well as is able to instigate them to take any route. And, they can take arbitrary routes in their time of banishment.
… It, not a conflict between the struggle and survival that Charles Darwin tried to mean in his phrasing: “survival of the fittest”. The problem arose when human species imposed them to believe in this: —they are the separate being, and time is coming to replace their natural animality with the anew-made meaning. This realization led them to the replacement where they replaced animality with humanity.
… … …
The coming and quitting is always a mysterious fable for human wisdom, even it whimsical for today’s techno qua languages. Due to this fact science yet not impeached myth and prattle stories. They have different spaces. Claude Lévi-Strauss explained this trend in his valuable expedition on mythical worlds. His commentary apprehension displays how dual our mind when we draw the outline between “Plantality and Animality”:
Never better than after the last four centuries of his history could a Western man understand that, while assuming the right to impose a radical separation of humanity and animality, while granting to one all that he denied the other, he initiated a vicious circle. The one boundary, constantly pushed back, would be used to separate men from other men and to claim—to the profit of ever-smaller minorities—the privilege of a humanism, corrupted at birth by taking self-interest as its principle and its notion.” [See: Structural Anthropology, Volume 2 (1973), Translation: Monique Layton, University of Chicago Press, 1983; Source: Wiki Quotes]
If we consider Lévi-Strauss’s apprehension with care then we can say, — evolutionary changes are not the threat because Homo sapiens overcome it with success. Once they needed to face the changes so they can overcome it like the hardy tree. Ecological evolution doesn’t separate humans from the symbiotic civilization where they belong since the beginning. Not a conflict between the struggle and survival of what Charles Darwin tried to mean in his phrasing: “survival of the fittest”. The problem arose when human species imposed them to believe in this: — they are the separate being, and time is coming to replace their natural animality with the anew-made meaning. This realization led them to the replacement where they replaced animality with humanity.
This replacement converts them into civilized beings. The crucial fact was lying underneath the skin that they left their Natural beingness after this conversion. Human species then built new civilizations within the primordial. The transferring process may not have been a problem for all other creatures if Homo sapiens didn’t lead them to grant one (mean only humans) and denied others from their anew-made civilization. Because such replacement was disjoint, it cut off humans to the symbiotic culture, though they were at once an essential part of this.
Anew-made meaning has appeared later the curse for entire plantality and animality. Humanity is not collinear and symmetric by nature. Rather it’s a one-linear path where only humans can exist. Animals or plants are prohibited in that linearity. It indicates humans were promised to eradicate all other meanings of beingness to the anew-made meaning. Evolution was not the fact; rather the great leap from animalism to humanism anesthetizes humans and now they are unable to think their relations with plants and animals as ancient humans think. Thus, it not “fable” that trees can talk; rather it should consider as “fable” that humans cannot talk with trees and animals.
… … …
… Very true, trees or plants talk to each other. Maybe they quarrel with each other, hug each other, and in the night coming moon I guess the oldies plant sigh to think life has gone like the quick leaper in the void. All trees celebrate the starry night with fervent orgasm, which might be the eternal birthing moment of life. The rain might wash their cloggy cortex, and when spring comes, I’m sure the fallen leaves murmured the sad song of dissipation and joyous appearance of rebirth.
… … …
Suzanne Simard’s discovery helps us to think about the whole paradigm of treeness and treelessness in light of new appreciation. True, “A forest is much more than what…” we see. Nevertheless, her fantastic discovery is not a new event in scientific astonishment. The famous Bengali scientist Jagadish Chandra Bose was having the near experience in many years before. He invented “Shomotal Zantra” (Balanced Crescograph and Photo-Geotropic Balance) to understand how the speechless plant contacts, communicates, networks and speaks to each other.
His long experiment of measuring the impact of “wavelength electromagnetic radiation on plant growth” helped him to write the scientific paper “Growth and tropic movements of plants”, and a beautiful book “Obbakto” (The tales of unspoken) for general Bengali readers. Bose applied various stimulus techniques for the registered plant’s response rate. He also appointed his studious effort to read and analyze their growth rate and communication patterns. The result was profound. He noticed plants themselves maintained high sensitivity. They have the ability to decide how they adjusted them with the ecosystem. In that case, Bose created the ecology in his lab. He mentioned in his paper:
I, therefore, devoted many years to the invention and construction of various Automatic Recorders of extreme delicacy and precision, which enable the plant itself to write down the inner workings of its life. [See: “Growth and tropic movements of plants, Bose, 1929”]
… The famous Bengali scientist Jagadish Chandra Bose was having the near experience in many years before. He invented “Shomotal Zantra” (Balanced Crescograph and Photo-Geotropic Balance) to understand how the speechless plant contacts, communicates, networks and speaks to each other. His long experiment of measuring the impact of “wavelength electromagnetic radiation on plant growth” helped him to write the scientific paper “Growth and tropic movements of plants”, and a beautiful book “Obbakto” (The tales of unspoken) for general Bengali readers.
… … …
The Bengal Renésens man explained with true compassion that how plants (suppose Mimosa and Bonchadals or Desmodium Gyrans) responds when they received light. He explained how the electromagnetic wavelength made an impact on plant’s growth when they received it. Bose also verified in his experiment how plants in a forest transmit messages between them when ecological alarms (suppose weather and climatic change) happened. He summarized his experiment in his paper:
“I may here briefly refer to a few of the more important results. For instance, the excitation of plants by radiation had come to be regarded as more or less confined within the narrow range of the visible spectrum. Experiments on the effects of wireless waves and of a high-frequency alternating field of electric force prove, on the contrary, that the sensitivity of plants to the ethereal spectrum extends far beyond the infra-red region…
In response to wireless waves, growing plants exhibit modification of their rate of growth. Feeble stimulation induces an acceleration, while strong stimulation causes a retardation of the rate of growth, as has already been shown to be the case in response to other forms of stimulation.
Finally, from the fully demonstrated facts that direct stimulation induces contraction while indirect stimulation causes expansion, a wide generalisation has been established, which includes within its scope the diverse tropic movements of plant-organs.” [See: “Growth and tropic movements of plants, Jagadish Chandra Bose, 1929”]
Bose’s remarkable studies on “Environmental Studies” have significance in many extents. As Darrel T. Emerson mentioned in his paper:
“Bose was always concerned about what we would today call environmental protection. One topic of great concern today is the biological effect of electromagnetic pollution. Bose began a study of the effect of longer wavelength electromagnetic radiation on plant growth; Figure 19 shows one of his experiments. The transmitter was situated 200 metres from the plant under study, and indeed a pronounced effect on the plant growth was found at different field strengths. “Growing plants exhibit the response to electric waves by modification of the rate of growth. Feeble stimulus induces an acceleration, while strong stimulus causes a retardation in the rate of growth.”
Another example of Bose being so remarkably ahead of his time is in the area of plant biophysics; his early measurements of action potentials and their propagation velocities have been precisely confirmed by quite recent work (e.g. Wayne 1994, Pickard 1973). The whole subject of plant response to stimulation is becoming an important area of plant biophysics today.” [See: Jagadish Chandra Bose: Millimetre wave research in the nineteenth century by Darrel T. Emerson]
Anyway, searching always bring new information with valid updates. Modern scientific exploration in that sense again exposed the inbuilt natural symbiosis of living organisms. Once we were the essential part of this plantality and animality but lost it later because of the linear progress of humanity. Humanity is such ecology where none can enter except humans! No living or nonliving agents can socialize or transfigured in that domain if humans do not admit them for entrance. Modern humanity serves only self-interest. No place exists in that domain where “self-interest” can cohabit with mutual interests. Means humans are supercooperators only for themselves.
This one-linear domination makes them selfish and pretentious for all other living beings. The absence of “otherness” makes humanity endangered for other living organisms. Scientific revealment may help them to remember the remote past when “I-amness” of human beings might cohabit with “other’s I-amness”. Fairy tales or legendary nonsense is the souvenirs of that jubilation. This domain was symbiotic. Transfiguration treated just as a societal way of living in this domain. As Peter Wohlleben mentioned in his book:
“But the most astonishing thing about trees is how social they are. The trees in a forest care for each other, sometimes even going so far as to nourish the stump of a felled tree for centuries after it was cut down by feeding it sugars and other nutrients, and so keeping it alive. Only some stumps are thus nourished. Perhaps they are the parents of the trees that make up the forest of today. A tree’s most important means of staying connected to other trees is a “wood wide web” of soil fungi that connects vegetation in an intimate network that allows the sharing of an enormous amount of information and goods.
Perhaps the saddest plants of all are those we have enslaved in our agricultural systems. They seem to have lost the ability to communicate, and, as Wohlleben says, are thus rendered deaf and dumb. “Perhaps farmers can learn from the forests and breed a little more wildness back into their grain and potatoes,” he advocates, “so that they’ll be more talkative in the future. ” [See: The Hidden Life of Trees: What They Feel, How They Communicate—Discoveries from a Secret World: Peter Wohlleben, Translator: Suzanne Simard]
The archeological meaning of legendary stories is the same repercussion of social symbiosis. Modern science now tried to debunk this by going through the inside physic of plants and animals. Plantality doesn’t mean mere utilization, it means symbioticism with all living creatures.
… … …
Source: dreamstime.com: Abstract texture of tree roots in the rainforest of the Lynn Canyon Park, British Columbia, Canada
… The actual relation between humans and plants in the legendary world depends on a different logic. It tried to say, all physical agents are coming from the mysterious void; when they commence out they can take any shape; not only this, they are able to instigate them takes any route. To the same, they can take arbitrary routes on their time of banishment.
… … …
Suzanne Simard’s cheerful experience certainly enthralling event for modern science, but might not sound new to Lewis Carroll or his near ancestor Hans Christian Andersen. Alice always persuades us to peep the rabbithole. She convinced us going down to the deep dark hole. Maybe something strange waits there, and maybe nothing is there. Anyway, the little girl persuades over again: hey… go down if you can! The moral might be, find your intrinsic rabbit-hole to embrace the feeling that you’re alive.
Carroll’s near ancestor Anderson engraved the life of a forest tree in his modern fairy tales. The juvenile tree once sprouted in the forest and later experienced the cruel reality when the woodcutter cut it and transferred it to the human world. It was Christmas day and the tree was very happy to see it decorated. When Christmas went away, the family members then throw it in the storage. The experience appeared bizarre to the plant. It was like throwing oneself in the dark from where he never escaped. The juvenile tree then realized what social symbiosis mean when he was alive in the forest along with his fellow brothers.
True, trees or plants talk to each other. Maybe they quarrel with each other, hug each other, and in the night coming moon I guess the oldies plant sigh to think life has gone like the quick leaper in the void. All trees celebrate the starry night with fervent orgasm, which might be the eternal birthing moment of life. The rain might wash their cloggy cortex, and when spring comes, I’m sure the fallen leaves murmured the sad song of dissipation and joyous appearance of rebirth.
Trees talks to each other might appear enthralling to the science-orient minds of the modern world, in fact, this new approach now coming along with some evidential reasons to believe the fairy as true for human beings. However, we should think about the essence of this new research what Suzanne Simard tried to clear in her talk with enthusiasms:
“… we need to regenerate our forests with a diversity of species and genotypes and structures by planting and allowing natural regeneration. We have to give Mother Nature the tools she needs to use her intelligence to self-heal. And we need to remember that forests aren’t just a bunch of trees competing with each other, they’re supercooperators.” [Ref: How trees talk to each other, TED Talk, Suzanne Simard]
Source: kenw.org: Dr. Suzanne Simard looks up at a huge Douglas fir tree: 120 metres tall: Sunshine Coast of British Columbia.
… Today’s poet symbolized him by comparing his physic with trees, and his desire inspired him to think about the replacement where a transfigured human can eradicate all evils through his treeness. Fairy tales or nonsense storytelling doesn’t symbolize anything; they just reflect what they see and believe. The world where fairy and myths were kings, transfiguration depends on neither poetic rubric nor does it incite the storyteller marked him a supernatural being in suchlike realms.
… … …
True, trees are supercooperators like Whales. Evolution tried to mean the primordial ancestor of this ocean giant was once largely strolling in the glade. Pakicetus, the first archetype of today’s Whales was familiar with the gladean culture. They were the member of the amphibious Cetacean family, but mostly they preferred to graze around in the land. There was certainly a time coming on the planet when some members of this giant species obliged to dive into the ocean. Perhaps the time has appeared with a changing beat. Maybe dramatic climatic change warned them to dive into the ocean for survival. Some members of giant Pakicetus might have heard this evil jingle; it told them to dive in the uncertain ocean; others might have refused to do this.
The conversation between Pakicetus group members was perhaps crucial at that time of climate change. It appeared crucial as well as who was reluctant to dive into the ocean. The result then appeared with a new story, that is, some members of this species decided to take the risk and later they transfigured their identity for making a fair adjustment to the aquatic culture. We can guess, not all members of this amphibious Cetacean family was decisive to dive into the ocean; there was must some members who might commit them seeing their fate in the glade. The gladean part of Pakicetus has no more exist today. The climatic and relevant maladjustment might appear as a curse and wiped them to the gladean surface.
The giant Mammoth, Asian and African Elephant shared common features in ten thousand years back. They were the descendant of Palaeomastodon who grazed on this planet 40 million years ago. The Mammoth became extinct more or less five thousand years. They were incompetent to resist Mammoth Hunters; equally, they felt helpless when climatic change appeared as a bad signal for them. Their closer relative Asian Elephants likely survived and as well as the distant Africans. It indicates survival technique, decision, and luck…, all are crucial in evolutionary biology.
Life is the other name of struggle where the machination of survival depends on varied factors. Whales and modern Elephants might be lucky in that sense because they took the right decision. Both species plotting them ineffective ways and it might help them to confront the adverse situation by using their skill. They now set them in the symbiotic networking of sharing and togetherness. Both have success; they can vibrate signal that beckons sharing, togetherness and great symbiosis with the entire ecosystem; sad, which we humans have already lost in the long relay race of evolution and adaptation.
The tragedy of evolution now represents humans as an “ecological serial killer”. Once the Blue Whales talk each other from miles and miles distant and it sounds heavenly. This glamour now faded due to the Whale Hunters. Today, a human being doesn’t know how to enter the deep feelings where divinity comes along like a spark and said, — all creatures are the same members of the universal Genetic subset. Yes, all ae the same but having different transfiguration due to the slight changes and differences in course of evolutionary biology. Everything is connected in the common chain where eternal bonding and necessity keeps them alive, despite their different trajectories.
… The primordial people were free from this erroneous contradiction because they had no necessity to know science or society. They just believed in the immense possibility of impossible. Yes, they actually owned this. People saw them talking with trees, bees or animals, and they think transfiguration of physic is inevitable because nothing exists to its settlement. This belief was a normal event for them. Not like as we think today, that is, they were superstitious beings with lack of wisdom and logic.
… … ….
Suzanne Simard’s new scientific approach appeared thrilling for today’s wisdom-hungers, but a sort of hundred years ago the great tribes all over the world knew how to coexists into the ecosystem with symbiosis. The Chief Seattle’s letter (despite its controversy) yet buzzing over the head as a reminder of how symbiosis happened between the pine forest and humans:
… Suchlike mythical symbiosis among physical agents helps us to understand the antiquate morals of life; it told us, —nothing in this world is legitimate except for the limitless absurd transfiguration of agents from one state to another. It led us to the remote antiquity when humans, animals, and trees were staying entangled in the same space-time reality. This entanglement is the power of nonsense stories; the symbiosis between physical agents has grown in this state. Our neoteric logic sense cannot understand this and it always appears abstruse to it.
… … …
I’m not sure what be the feeling of Plum Trees when we behead them like a maniacal killer. Maybe the day will come when Suzanne Simard’s Geiger counter helps a human being to listen and talk with them, and on that day, he might be shivered to see bloods in his palm! As Macbeth shivered with fear and repentance to see blood in his hands. Suzanne’s new experience coming along with a reminder and human beings need to feel the moral of it. This living planet is not for humans only. If we humans want to wash our hands, we need to change our ways of talking with all other creatures.
… … …
… Trees talks to each other might appear enthralling to the science-orient minds of the modern world, in fact, this new approach now coming along with some evidential reasons to believe the fairy as true for a human being. However, we should think about the essence of this new research that Suzanne Simard tried to clear in her talk with enthusiasm…